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Starting a new horse under saddle
Hello Mitzi,
I am a bit confused about how to start my new horse under saddle. Every time I
pick up a magazine or go to a Equine Convention it seems that every trainer says
something else. I see everything from groundwork and a gradual introduction to
getting on the horse and riding him around in a couple of hours. I just wondered
what your thoughts were.
Thanks. Linda R. Plattsburgh, NY
Linda,
Thank you for writing. I can understand your confusion. It is true that if you
ask ten trainers a question you may get ten different answers, but generally if
the trainer is working from an established method that has been
time-tested, it should not be too different in theory.
One question for you is what kind of a horse do you want at the end of the
training? Do you want a partner that trusts you, respects and listens to you, but
maintains that "essence of horse" that makes us admire the
species in the first place? Or do you want a horse whose spirit has been broken
and is a subservient, depressed entity who has unquestioning obedience but is
not a "horse" anymore?
You can probably guess from my description of the two horses which one I would
rather have. There is not enough space for a detailed answer but I will give you
some quidelines. First of all, does what the trainer is doing make sense to you
and, more importantly, make sense to the horse? Horses are marvelously intuitive
animals with an amazing memory which can work for you or against you.
I would say there are two main methods which are accessible to you. One
would be GOOD "Natural
Horsemanship". This would involve ground work which can be very
positive or can be abusive. Round penning is an example. I use round penning to
some degree occasionally, but it can be overdone so that the handler is looking
for obedience from the horse because it has been deliberately frightened,
chased until it is exhausted, and then submissively accepts the trainer.
Good ground work and round penning should create an understanding between
human and horse, so that the horse can relate to the handler. This carries on
into the saddle work.
I believe that the training should be gradual, as it has been practiced for
thousands of years. The violent round penning, working a horse all day, and then
getting on him, in my opinion is more about the ego of the trainer than the
welfare of the horse. This type of handling was necessary in the American West
when literally there were hundreds and hundreds of horses that
had to be worked with. When horses were used for the wars and for our calvary,
these methods were used as there was just no time for gradual training. This is
no longer true. We have the time.
If you want to relate it to you, if you were learning a sport, say basketball,
would it be taught to you in a day of constant work, physical and metal, and
then you were "thrown into the game" in one day? Of course not, but
that is exactly what "one or two day" training does to the horse.
Not only is this prey animal expected to understand and accept everything
introduced to it, but then it is ridden a long time before it has developed the
muscle and stamina to carry a rider. It is an abusive practice, geared for the
person wanting a bit of a thrill, and the ego of dominating an animal larger
than himself.
The tried and true method of taking many weeks or months to start a young horse
is the best solution. You both learn to trust each other, and the horse truly
understands and accepts his job. If I am told that a person successfully
"broke" a horse in a day, I am not impressed, I am saddened. I have
had too many
horses brought to me months or years after this was done...all in need of
retraining, or physically and mentally broken down.
There are many good books and many good trainers out there. Take your time on
selecting what method to follow.
Aggressive when eating
Q. I have 9 month old Morab. I just bought him. He is pretty good with all of the handling that I do with him except for eating. He is very aggressive about his food. When I put the grain in his stall, he puts his ears back and crowds me out of the way.I have been unsure what to do so I just leave quickly. If I then go near him at all while he is eating, he lifts up his hind legs and looks really nasty. I am not sure what to do. Will he grow out of it? Should I just leave him alone and let him eat in peace?Helen L. Scranton, Pa.A. Hello Helen, and thank you for writing.I do not think you can let this behavior continue, but if you are a bit nervous around your horse when he threatens you, please get a knowledgeable horse person to help you. Your horse is definitely being aggressive, and you do need to reestablish his respect for you, even if now it is just exhibited when he is eating. This problem is not all that uncommon. If the horse is just a bit grumpy when eating, often nothing has to be done. Indeed, you can just let them be for the brief period of time involved when they are eating their grain.Your horse, however, is actively threatening you. This behavior could escalate. You just have to change the pattern that he has established. I have been successful by reacting immediately when the horse threatens me. When you go into his stall carry a lead rope with you. If you go into the stall to give him the grain and he threatens you, or if he is aggressive right after he is grained, immediately go boldly into his "space" and put the lead rope on him. With definite "energy" lead him out of the stall. Walk him around and find room to work on asking him to lead forward, back up, and disengage his haunches, making him move away from your body as you invade his space.You will have an assertive energy level, but you must never lose your temper. Your response has to be matched exactly to his actions. You want him to respect you and listen to you, but not to be actively afraid. When he is listening to you, lead him back into the stall and hold the lead rope while he eats. As long as he does not threaten you again, just leave him alone. If he threatens you again, just repeat the procedure.Be certain that you attach a lead rope before you correct your horse. If you yell or threaten your horse in his stall without having control of his head he could wheel and kick or charge you. Please let me know if you keep having any trouble. There are good training techniques to use with young horses such as Tellington-Jones T.E.A.M. methods or some Natural Horsemanship techniques. Just make sure that the methods make sense to your horse and are non-abusive.Mitzi Summers
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Canter Transition
Hello Mitzi,
I've been reading your articles in Horse Bits and truly enjoyed your help last
fall with my horse when you came to Boonville.
Now I have another concern that I need your help in. I am working on my
horse cantering and he just doesn't like to transition in to the canter.
He generally lays his ears back and on occasion when I have tried a crop on him
he bucks. I had him checked out by a chiropractor and have checked his
saddle to make sure it fits him and everything seems fine there. When I
watch him in the pasture he doesn't always canter and when he does he cares his
head high. I have free lounged him without a line on him to watch what he
needs to do to transition and it appears that he doesn't always get his hind
under him. He has improved though and initially lays his ears back then
canters relaxes and his ears will go forward. When I'm riding him I
cue by "waking him up" with leg pressure and laying inside rein on his
neck and using my outside leg against him. I try and do this on a corner.
Do you have any suggestions as to what I can do to make this a more pleasurable
experience for him?
Thanks for your help
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-Donna
Hello Donna,
It is good to hear from you. I am sorry that you are
having this problem. You have certainly been conscientious in trying to figure
out the problem from the horse's standpoint. Some people would just immediately
blame the horse. All of the things you have tried to do to solve the dilemma
have been right on track. I may need more information to come up with solutions.
What did the chiropractor say? Are you certain about pressure points, etc. that
the saddle is indeed blame free? When did the problem start? Was your horse
off for the winter and this just came up, or did your horse gradually start to
get worse and worse about cantering?
If you have a good horse vet in the area, that may also
be worth a call. In the meantime, I will give you some suggestions and see if
they help. One way that may help your horse if it is just a balance issue is to
double lunge him. You would take a regular lunge line and put it on him and then
gradually accustom him to a soft lunge line from the outside ring of his halter,
through the dee ring of a surcingle or your stirrup if it is raised to just
above the girth, and then brought around his haunches to your other hand. You
have to have a helper at first lead your horse, with you touching him with the
line, both of you asking him to halt at intervals, and then you gradually come
around to the same side of the horse as the leader is, and then you finally
take both lines in your hands.
I can write you a more detailed explanation of this
process, or you can call me when I return form
It sounds a bit like it is in the transition
that he has a problem. You do need to check your riding. For
whatever reason, you may be interfering with his ability to get into the canter.
Make sure that you are looking into the direction in which you want to go with
your "center". Your inside leg should be at the girth with your
outside leg behind the girth. Ideally, in correct equitation, your outside leg
will signal which lead you want him to take, (since it is the horse's outside
hind leg which starts the canter), and you inside leg which actually signals him
to begin cantering. This way he is bent around and bent properly around your
inside leg. Be sure that your hands support and then give as he goes into the
canter. If your hand pulls on him at all, or you are behind or in front of the
motion, you will again be making it difficult for him. Space prevents me from
going into further details, but please let me know how it is going. You can also
send me a DVD if you like and I can analyse it.
Good luck!
Mitzi
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Leg Yields and Side Passing
Dear Mitzi,
I have enjoyed reading the various articles and suggestions in HORSE BITS from
you. I just had a general question about leg yields and side passing. One of my
friends said I should start doing stuff like that with my horse.
Danny is a 8 year old Quarter Horse that I show pleasure both English and
Western. I read a bit about both of them but got mixed up.
Thanks.
Rose L.
Syracuse
HI Rose,
Thank you for emailing me!
I will try to give you a brief overview of the two movements, and then if you
need further clarification you can email me and I will be glad to
give you more help. To go into the detail I would like to go into would take a
long chapter in a book.
Even though they could both be considered lateral
movements, they are quite different. Leg yielding is a forward AND
sideways movement, while side passing is just lateral. In a leg yield, the
forward impulsion is really just as important as the lateral crossing of the
horse's legs.
It is important for you to be able to recognize the feeling you have as a rider
when the hind leg of the horse that you want to move over leaves the
ground and is going to step forward. When that hind leg is not grounded is
when you want to ask it to step over. There is a half halt needed right before
you ask the horse to step over, and then that follows with the release of the
half halt. That is the horse's reward.
If you cannot recognize the movement of the horse's hind legs by feel, you need
to have someone on the ground help you, or,better yet, enlist the aid of a
knowledgeable instructor. This is especially important if you are not sure about
how to use your body to half halt your horse. It is NOT done by just your hands.
That would be quite incorrect.
The horse is positioned, that is, a bit softer on the side AWAY from
his direction of movement. He is not bent, the body is really straight. If
your horse really is confused, you can teach him the rudiments of this movement
on the ground first, and also have a ground person use their hand where your leg
would be to help the horse to understand to move over. You need to be
certain that you are correctly asking him. If you are just starting to teach
your horse, or have not done this before , never blame the horse if it is
not working. Enlist the help of someone more experienced, and someone who
understands that 95 per cent of the time if the horse is not doing what is
expected of him, even something like refusing a fence, it is almost always human
error, and intelligent retraining of the horse is necessary.If someone wants you
to use corporal punishment on your horse, this is not a trainer....find someone
else.
To think of a sidepass,
think of the trail class maneuver you may have seen when the horse steps
directly sideways over a rail on the ground. There is no forward movement, and
the horse deeply crosses his legs so that he does not bump against the rail. I
always teach this first with a Bitless
Bridle or side pull, so if I need to hold the horse a bit to make him understand
that he is not to go forward, I do not injure his mouth.
In a dressage or hunter horse, FORWARD IMPULSION is the most important
consideration, so usually it is done as formally described. Some trainers
will do a leg yield of sorts alongside a rail, but this lacks the forward
movement.
I hope this somewhat brief description helps. Let me know.
Mitzi
Summers
Summersdressage@aol.com
www.MitziSummers.com
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Babe,
Gray Quarter Horse Mare: (reprinted with permission
from Horse
bits)
Robin, the owner of Babe, had mentioned on the phone when she booked the
lesson that she had problems with her horse when she wanted her to go to the
right. Robin said that she would turn sharply and go the other way. It did
not frighten her, but it was, of course, a bit frustrating. Babe also would
not walk on the lunge line and would also turn on the lunge going to the right.
She had had other trainers trying to help but so far nothing had been
successful.
When I arrived at Robin's barn I watched her catch Babe in the pasture and
groom her and get her ready for the lesson. The horse was quite calm and
obviously a nice horse with a good temperament. She rode him with a snaffle bit
that had a slot in the ring for the rein. I had her just take the rein out of
the slot to encourage Babe to have a softer mouth and encourage her to accept
the bit and chew. We also put polo wraps on Babe for lungeing to protect and
support her legs in the event she resisted and might hit her legs.
I lunged Babe in her tack with a halter over the bridle. I do not believe in
lungeing a horse from the bit. Many well-known horsemen, including Alois
Podhajsky, in his book MY HORSES, MY TEACHERS, consider that having the
lunge line attached to the bridle is detrimental to the horse for several
reasons. I taught Robin the importance of using her voice in different tones so
that the horse understood what was required of it, and also how important
the body language of the trainer is. By learning to point the lunge whip at
Babe's shoulder body and just say "Out" Robin was able to get
Babe to understand that she must stay out on contact on the circle. In only a
few minutes Babe understood she should stay out. To walk, Robin just needed to
make certain from her body language and voice that Babe understood and the horse
quickly was walking when asked.
When Robin started riding, I first made minor adjustments on her position. By
allowing her lower leg to come underneath her a bit more, she was able to be
more effective in her commands on her horse. Going to the right, the
horse was able to evade her rider and turn because the first part of the
resistance was for the horse to increase it's speed. This resulted in the horse
losing it's balance to the right and also compromised Robin's balance and made
it more difficult for her to correct her horse. So I gave Robin a crash course
is the application of a half halt; that the half halt originates from the center
of the rider's body and is not a result of pulling on the reins. Every time Babe
tried to increase her speed and drop her shoulder, Robin was able o give her a
half-halt, rebalance her, and then apply indirect inside rein and an opening
outside rein and the horse could not turn. It was very effective and done
absolutely without being harsh to the horse at all. I also worked with
Robin on developing a following hand with her horse at the walk, and a
quiet, stable contact at the trot. This proved quite successful and we ended
the lesson on this positive point.
It is important to treat every horse/rider as an individual team, and to
determine the best approach to any difficulty. There is no
"cookie-cutter" approach to training.
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Rules About Riding at a Boarding Facility
I enjoy
reading your Q&A column. Now I have a question.
I am new to the horse business ( we have had horses for many years) and
relatively new in this area.
My husband and I purchased a stable with an indoor ring. We already have
almost a "full house" of boarders.
I think the indoor ring has a lot to do with it....we moved here from a Southern
state and we're a bit surprised about the weather.
Anyway, we have already had some arguments between boarders riding in the ring,
and also my part-time instructor has been upset with some of the boarders
interfering with her lessons.
Any ideas?
Sheri T., Oswego,
NY
HI Sheri!
Welcome to beautiful (and it is) but somewhat snowy
Upstate New York!
Rules about riding in your indoor ring need to be established
immediately, not only so people will more readily accept them, but their safety
and your responsibility to keep everything as risk free as possible is a primary
consideration.
You did not mention the size of your ring, but this has
to be considered when making your rules. If it is fairly large, you may permit
boarders to ride with the lessons with certain exceptions IF your instructor is
responsible and can abide with that. I will give you an example of some rules to
establish:
1. Boarders may ride when a lesson is being taught with permission of the
instructor.
2. Riders not in the lesson need to go in the same direction as the lesson as
much as possible.
3. If approaching each other, riders need to pass left shoulder to left
shoulder.
4. Cantering, jumping, or lungeing should be done only with special
permission of other riders in the ring. You should at least be aware enough to
announce to the other riders that you are going to canter now, in case their
horse might react in a negative manner.
5. No one should enter the ring with or without a horse until permission is
given by either the instructor, or if there are no lessons, the other people
in the ring.( One of the barns I visit has a pleasant-sounding doorbell. You can
easily hear it and it is much less irritating than someone yelling
"DOOR!") .
6. Excessive clucking or whip snapping should be prohibited. It can make a
nervous horse worse, and no horse person should be snapping a whip anyway.
7. In general, no one should pass between a horse and the rail. If there
is much space, you should always announce your intention anyway, shouting
"Rail!".
8. If a boarder is working with a green or untrained horse, they must not be
allowed to work that horse with lessons in the ring, especially if the lessons
is for beginners or intermediates.
9. No cell phones in the ring! This will be an unpopular rule. However, they
take the attention away from the rider as much as if they were driving a car.
It is in the ring where dangerous situations
can occur, and also where you may witness horse abuse. You and you
instructor need to make it clear that you have the final word. If you see a
situation escalating you need to step in. It can be a child over mounted, or
someone about to mount a horse and the horse is nervous or has excessive
energy and clearly needs to be quietly and positively lunged.
Welcome again to the area!
Mitzi
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Backing Up
Mitzi, Cribbing
I have a horse that cribs. I was a novice when I bought him and I was not
even that sure what he was doing. Now he is ruining the top of his stall, and I
also have people telling me it can be dangerous to his health. What can I do?
Sarah G. Fonda,
NY
Unfortunately, once horses start cribbing it is VERY difficult to get them to
stop. Research has been done that suggests that horses do this to alleviate
stress. The act of cribbing is said to release endorphins into the brain;
this would result in a "feel good" response in the horse. That is
why it is so difficult to cure.
Indeed, I have noticed people yelling at horses to try to "train" them
not to crib. Usually as soon as the people leave, the horse cribs more as they
have become more stressed. What you can do is try to lower the stress level in
your horse. You did not give me details about his environment, but the more time
he can spend out in a field, grazing normally, the better. Boredom, just
standing for hours in a stall, is very unnatural to a horse. If he does not have
a companion, try somehow to find company for him, even if it is a non-equine.
Positive schooling is also helpful.
There are cribbing devices that you can purchase, and this may have to be what
you do. They prevent the muscles of the neck expanding so that the horse cannot
force air into his throat. You need to be very careful with them. I have heard
of someone who turned their horse out with one and the horse started running and
could not get enough air because of the restriction of the cribbing collar.
There is even surgery that can be performed but I would imagine this would be
your last option.
I remember that cribbing used to be legally classified as an unsoundness and if
the seller hid the condition from the buyer it was a legitimate legal action. I
could not find anyone that knew if this was still the case-it would be a good
question for a horse dealer or lawyer. I do know many people who have
horses that crib and manage them well and still have much enjoyment from
them, but do know that it can affect their health.
Good luck!
Adopted Mustang
Dear Mitzi,
I have heard a lot about you and your empathy with horses. Could you come to our
farm and help us with a mustang mare we have had for three years? We have read
quite a bit, attended a "Natural Horsemanship" clinic, and had people
come to our farm, but nothing really seems to work and Holly is just a bit
better than when we we got her. Some of the methods that have been
recommended to us even seemed abusive. Thank you.
Anne H., Wilkes
Barre, Pa.
CASE STUDY:
I agreed to visit the farm of this wonderful couple who had adopted a
mustang mare. The mare had been separated from her young foal at a
Mustang Adoption Center, and somewhere along the line had been beaten half to
death with a two by four. Some friends of theirs rescued her from a killer pen,
and Anne and her husband adopted her. This was three years ago.
Since then they have been devoted to this mare. She will finally allow them
to be very still and will come up to them for grass or grain and occasionally
allow a touch, but that so far has been the progress. I explained that, of
course, every horse, be it a mustang or domesticated, is an individual. Anne had
even been given the advice that they should treat it like a normal horse and
expect it to act like a normal horse. This of course was nonsense. This horse
had been severely traumatized. It is important to remember again that horses
think of themselves as prey and we are predators. As this mare was severely
beaten, she quite possibly thought that she was going to be killed. Any bond she
could have had at that time with people was broken.
I went into the small enclosure that she was in and just observed her. The good
and hopeful signs were that she was interested in me, looking at me with ears
pricked. She looked lively and intelligent. Her spirit had not been destroyed.
Instead of taking the typical round pen approach, moving the horse away
from me, I felt that this just increased her distrust of people. I have
never advocated using the round pen to move the animal around until it is
exhausted and comes to the handler completely submissively. I have
seen horses hurt and ruined with this method. Instead I had the mare "round
pen" me! When she just thought of backing up from me I immediately
moved quietly away from her. I did not give her a chance to move away from
my space; I moved away from hers.
She started to follow me around, and was showing quite a bit of interest in this
new "game". The owner was watching, and could see the change in the
horse already. I then had Anne go into the enclosure while I observed. Anne
moved softly toward the mare with her hand out as she had been previously
instructed to do. Holly immediately seemed afraid and shied away from
her. This confirmed my thoughts about how to proceed. I again went in with Holly
and had Anne observe me once again. My body language was very submissive, I
rounded my shoulders and made myself smaller to be less of a threat. The mare
again started moving toward me with her ears up. This unusual pattern of working
with her obviously made her curious and a bit bolder. At he end I was able to
get her to take grass from me (a complete stranger) but again, she had to
"earn" the grass. She had to get into my space to take it.
I again had Anne work with Holly the new way, and then I sensed that
the horse had had enough for the day. This can be very tiring for a horse. This
is another reason why the one or two day "training" sessions
that have become popular are very stressful and non-productive for the good
of the horse.
I have since received emails on Holly's progress. It has been less than a week
and she is following them around and becoming less timid. I explained that Holly
needed to feel that she had a bit of control over the situation.....that people
(until she was rescued) had only hurt her and had had all of the control. The
typical round penning, though done witht the utmost good will, had only resulted in
confirming to the mare that again humans had all of the power.
Note:
Try to think of things from a horse's viewpoint. Think things through when
you work with horses. Whether it is written, or observed on a horse
television program, trust your instincts on whether it is right or wrong for
your horse. Anne and her husband are very sensitive horse people, and realized
that their horse needed another approach.
Mitzi can be reached at Summersdressage@aol.com.
Her web site is www.mitzisummers.com
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